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Jam Lady

Joined: 28 Dec 2006
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Location: New Jersey, USA

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 15 4:01 pm Post subject: Deer Hunting Season Has Begun

And the young man who bow hunts on our property got a young doe within 30 minutes of settling into his tree stand.

Paunch, left the innards for the coyotes and foxes. Took her home to skin and quarter and chill. I'll get my half (forequarter, hind quarter, and back strap) on Sunday. I'll dress down to roasts and steaks and stew meat. Good eating.

He says they're all over the place so there may be more venison coming my way before bow season ends and black powder begins.

Slim

Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Posts: 6612
Location: New England (In the US of A)

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 15 5:09 pm Post subject:
Jam Lady, I've brought up bow hunting here before. It's definitely a cultural divide between our side of the pond and theirs!

Pilsbury

Joined: 13 Dec 2004
Posts: 5645
Location: East london/Essex

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 15 5:57 pm Post subject:
Thing is American hunting bows are nothing like anything we would have In the UK where all bow hunting is illegal. I have watched videos of it and the power their produce is astonishing but I can't imagine there are many instant clean kills using a bow which is something I would hope to provide any animal I hunted to the best of my ability.

Jam Lady

Joined: 28 Dec 2006
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Location: New Jersey, USA

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 15 6:14 pm Post subject:
Well, he said she dropped and was still, not thrashing or anything. He's hunting from a tree stand, not stalking. Probably a cleaner kill than the ones hit by car that we see dead on the side of the road.

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
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Location: yes

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 15 6:35 pm Post subject:

my 50lb longbow has a better flight and terminal ballistic power than the 70lb( compound with wheels )usa style hunting bow i used to have.

with a modern style broadhead it has the potential to produce a wound track as catastrophically fatal as a baby browning.

however my saluki and grey x saluki would probably be the easy option if i went deer hunting.

as both are "illegal" i wouldnt do such a thing and there are often roadkill or cull deer to be had in the uk.

lightly cold smoked venison jerky made from fresh is my favorite way to prepare them as im not keen on roast or stewed and hung til "high"as many brits seem to do is vile.

a perch might be easier to hit one from but i have been told that the kindest kill is from a low lair,30 degrees off the beast's body line and into the chest cavity from behind the ribs which causes massive blood loss from liver ,lungs and circulatory system leading to collapse in seconds and death soon after.

Treacodactyl
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 15 11:42 am Post subject:

Slim wrote:

Jam Lady, I've brought up bow hunting here before. It's definitely a cultural divide between our side of the pond and theirs!

There seems to be plenty in the US that don't agree with bow hunting, well bow hunting dentists at any rate.

I think those over here that think the issues through would agree it's not just about what is used to hunt but the ability of the weapon and shooter to do a good job.

Enjoy your Venison JL, do you have anyone local who shoots black powder?

Bodger

Joined: 23 May 2006
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 15 1:54 pm Post subject:
What you must remember, is that bow shots are taken at around ten yards or less. The skill is not in just aiming the bow but also in getting into a position to take the shot at a very close range. Hunting with the bow, is actually just as humane as shooting with a rifle. Nothing in this world is 100% and there are poor bow hunters, just as there are poor rifle shooters.

dpack

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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 15 2:06 pm Post subject:
at ten yards i could hunt flies

Jam Lady

Joined: 28 Dec 2006
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Location: New Jersey, USA

Posted: Fri Oct 02, 15 2:19 pm Post subject:

Treacodactyl, there is someone who has previously hunted our property using a shotgun with a solid slug (called a sabot, I believe.) Edited to add - he still hunts. Picks a spot and sits there, for hours in needed, sometimes with snow settling on his head and shoulders, beard and all.

There are different seasons for bow hunting, black powder, and the shotgun / solid slug. Here in New Jersey long guns - rifles such as a 30-06 - are not allowed as they have such a long "carry" and we are considered too densely populated.

It is different across the Delaware river in Pennsylvania. There's hunting on the state land there, as well as on private property.

And when we were in Colorado last week it was bow hunting season in the national forest. For example, the San Juan National Forest (one of the places we were off-roading) is 2,936 square miles / 1.8 million acres. Deer and also elk are hunted there.

Treacodactyl
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 15 2:26 pm Post subject:
It's interesting to hear the differences, over here we can use rifles such as a 30-06 and in many places we're more densely populated. High seats are often used to ensure a safe backstop. We can also easily get hold of moderators (sound suppressors) which I gather can be hard in the US?

dpack

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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 15 3:25 pm Post subject:
my ex fil(deer warden for 22000 acres) used a rifle shot to the neck with a powerful frangible round (it was an old but very posh gun and i have no idea of caliber etc)from on high which seems ideal for a variety of reasons ,especially in woodland where there are obstructions/cover at ground level and the potential to miss and overshoot into unseen places.

Slim

Joined: 05 Mar 2006
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Location: New England (In the US of A)

Posted: Fri Oct 02, 15 3:43 pm Post subject:

My part of the country very few use shotgun unless near town.

Bear season started about a month ago, archery season is about to start for moose and deer, rifle season starts for moose in a couple weeks and for deer in about a month and a half. After deer rifle season, muzzleloader season starts up (December) at the same time archery re-opens for deer.

The staggering of seasons is a big part of the reason that many hunters here do bow and muzzleloader in addition to rifle.

Bodger

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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 15 5:10 pm Post subject:

Treacodactyl wrote:

It's interesting to hear the differences, over here we can use rifles such as a 30-06 and in many places we're more densely populated. High seats are often used to ensure a safe backstop. We can also easily get hold of moderators (sound suppressors) which I gather can be hard in the US?

Not just hard but illegal in the States.

Hunting is not just a passion in parts of America, its not only a way of life, its an industry too and that's why its extremely well policed.

Treacodactyl
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 15 9:27 pm Post subject:

Bodger wrote:

Treacodactyl wrote:

Not just hard but illegal in the States.

Only in a few states, licenseable in others hence the question.

Bodger

Joined: 23 May 2006
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 15 5:34 am Post subject:
I offered to get my friend in NYS a noise moderator and he declined the offer, because being found with one in his possession could have seen him in clink.

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