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bulworthy project

Joined: 27 Jun 2011
Posts: 188
Location: Rackenford, Devon

Posted: Sun Jul 12, 15 2:42 pm Post subject: How We Approached Dealing With The Planning Authority

Hello
We haven't been on here for a while because we've been lost in Facebook, but we thought that this may be something of interest to this forum.

Not sure if this is the right section for this.

We've written a little piece about how we dealt with the planning authority when applying for permission to live in the woods. It's something people often ask about. This is not about the law but about a philosophy that certainly worked for us. It would be interesting to hear other peoples experiences of the system.

The piece we've written is at: www.bulworthyproject.org.uk/planning.html

Do let us know what you think.

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 46193
Location: yes

Posted: Sun Jul 12, 15 4:32 pm Post subject:
hello again ,that is some of the most sensible advice on such matters i have ever seen. i hope all goes well in the future. ps face book is satan's intel officer

bulworthy project

Joined: 27 Jun 2011
Posts: 188
Location: Rackenford, Devon

Posted: Sun Jul 12, 15 4:44 pm Post subject:
Thanks Dpack P.S. I only use facebook to save satan from having to put too much effort and therefore taxpayers money into spying on me.

sean
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Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: North Devon

Posted: Sun Jul 12, 15 4:48 pm Post subject:
Really good article.

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
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Location: yes

Posted: Sun Jul 12, 15 5:14 pm Post subject:

bulworthy project wrote:

Thanks Dpack

P.S. I only use facebook to save satan from having to put too much effort and therefore taxpayers money into spying on me.

at least god knows everything and reports directly to mossad which saves no end of taxpayer expense

Lorrainelovesplants

Joined: 13 Oct 2006
Posts: 6521
Location: Dordogne

Posted: Sun Jul 12, 15 6:00 pm Post subject:
That really is a good article.

Mistress Rose

Joined: 21 Jul 2011
Posts: 15951

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 15 7:13 am Post subject:

Useful article. We haven't gone for planning applications in our wood as we don't need to live there. We did see the planning officer many years ago when we had ideas of putting up a shed near the road, and her first words were 'We won't let you even have a container on site'. In fact, she couldn't stop us as it would be temporary, and being a large enough site we could go for permitted development for agricultural/forestry purposes.

We are in a National Park, but it appeared after we had bought the property. Even our management plan has to go through them, which can be tricky as their objectives aren't ours. In fact their objectives are resulting in part of the wood being severely damaged by people walking.

vegplot

Joined: 19 Apr 2007
Posts: 21301
Location: Bethesda, Gwynedd

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 15 8:49 am Post subject:

Nicely written and some very valid points which we learned along the way to our eventually getting permission. The principle lessons we learned were (our opinion)

a) policy is everything to planning
b) it's not planning's job to educate you, they are arbiters of policy nothing else matters
c) detail everything explain why you are doing things and the reason why they can't be done in any other way
d) their closest ally is Highways. Highways are very blinkered and never look at the whole picture and will have their own policies
e) £5,000 will smooth the planning permission route on Anglesey (as it was then and from the horse's mouth)
d) Parish councils are no longer consulted on local planning issues (Wales)
f) Appeals are fun, if costly, when you hold all the cards. Having a consultant who was ousted from the local council under a corruption purge on your side helps - see e) but £2k cheaper.

bulworthy project

Joined: 27 Jun 2011
Posts: 188
Location: Rackenford, Devon

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 15 1:29 pm Post subject:
Forgot to say that you can bypass all this with a carefully placed backhander or even better if you went to the same school as the right person/people.

Bebo

Joined: 21 May 2007
Posts: 12590
Location: East Sussex

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 15 1:37 pm Post subject:

vegplot wrote:

d) their closest ally is Highways. Highways are very blinkered and never look at the whole picture and will have their own policies

But if you know how they work and you tell them why they've got it wrong they normally back down and don't support the planning authority when they realise their position is weak.

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 45665
Location: Essex

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 15 2:05 pm Post subject:

bulworthy project wrote:

Forgot to say that you can bypass all this with a carefully placed backhander or even better if you went to the same school as the right person/people.

Allegedly

Mistress Rose

Joined: 21 Jul 2011
Posts: 15951

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 15 6:23 am Post subject:
I hope not. Of course if they did take a back hander, they would never be in a position to dispute anything you did under planning again. You might get into trouble, but they would get into a lot more.

Nicky cigreen

Joined: 25 Jun 2007
Posts: 9868
Location: Devon, uk

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 15 7:32 am Post subject:
interesting article - thanks for sharing are you under any ongoing clauses - such as having to continue to make charcoal to live in the house?

Rob R

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 31902
Location: York

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 15 7:54 am Post subject:

Bebo wrote:

vegplot wrote:

d) their closest ally is Highways. Highways are very blinkered and never look at the whole picture and will have their own policies

But if you know how they work and you tell them why they've got it wrong they normally back down and don't support the planning authority when they realise their position is weak.

I have always been surprised how little the highway influences them [Highways].

Last edited by Rob R on Tue Jul 14, 15 9:14 am; edited 1 time in total

vegplot

Joined: 19 Apr 2007
Posts: 21301
Location: Bethesda, Gwynedd

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 15 8:25 am Post subject:

Bebo wrote:

vegplot wrote:

d) their closest ally is Highways. Highways are very blinkered and never look at the whole picture and will have their own policies

But if you know how they work and you tell them why they've got it wrong they normally back down and don't support the planning authority when they realise their position is weak.

We did

Twice. When planning was first granted and again when we had to re-apply (we needed to move the house location within the bounds) for planning.

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