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Treacodactyl
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 16 8:27 pm Post subject:

I would have thought you'd follow similar process to deer road collisions. If you're able to use an appropriate firearm and if you're not call the police and they should have a list of people who can come out and do the deed. I'm not sure of the legality of using a knife although it has been suggested if you do nothing you're also breaking the law.

Edit to add this might be useful, although I doubt you'd be carrying a 5" fixed blade as you're unlikely to have good reason ("I might stumble across a wounded sheep officer" probably isn't good enough.)

https://www.bestpracticeguides.org.uk/culling/humane-dispatch2

dpack

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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 16 10:21 pm Post subject:

if one has tree dismantling gear a 5" fixed blade is a very legitimate carry as you may need to cut oneself free of a rope or harness one handed while dangling like spider dinner .(although when i had to do that i used a 3" one handed opening lock knife on a string which would also be difficult to explain in the wrong place with the wrong copper

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that said treac's linky seems pretty useful to have at the back of one's mind for a just in case situation.

i wouldn't choose a stanley knife as a dispatch tool but it could be used if there was no viable kinder way available in a reasonable timescale.

Hairyloon

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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 16 10:22 pm Post subject:

Treacodactyl wrote:

I doubt you'd be carrying a 5" fixed blade as you're unlikely to have good reason...

I quite often travel with a chainsaw in the boot, but not often with a firearm or a knife of that size.
In the absence of the means to make an appropriate phone call, it looks like dpack's garrotte would be the best option.

dpack

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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 16 10:57 pm Post subject:
i have never tried chainsaw vs sheep but even if the wool didn’t jam the chain it wouldn’t be pretty and the tableau in the passing headlights might be a bit difficult to explain. it seems likely it would be fatal (wool jam permitting) in a remove the head sort of style but i recon things would be pretty desperate before i considered it the best/kindest option.

Treacodactyl
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Posted: Sun Aug 28, 16 7:13 am Post subject:

Hairyloon wrote:

Treacodactyl wrote:

I doubt you'd be carrying a 5" fixed blade as you're unlikely to have good reason...

I would have thought you'd be checking with a local farmer first, if it's not their animal they are likely to know who's it is and have a phone.

Hairyloon

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Posted: Sun Aug 28, 16 8:51 am Post subject:

Treacodactyl wrote:

Hairyloon wrote:

Treacodactyl wrote:

I doubt you'd be carrying a 5" fixed blade as you're unlikely to have good reason...

I would have thought you'd be checking with a local farmer first, if it's not their animal they are likely to know who's it is and have a phone.

So leave it be and go look for the nearest house?

Nick

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Posted: Sun Aug 28, 16 9:43 am Post subject:
Yes. I can't believe this is even a conversation.

dpack

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Posted: Sun Aug 28, 16 10:34 am Post subject:

on much of the pennines the nearest house might be quite a distance away ,but they might have a phone,thinking about it the nearest mechanic or ambulance might also be some distance away so having a phone about one's person is a fairly good idea.

on the high peaks many of the sheep are untagged/feral and the few hill farmers left are often miles away from any they own that are roaming among the unfenced roads on the tops so best bet is usually to let the coppers sort out ownership .im sure the "proper" response to a rta sheep is call plod and let them send a culler but im not sure i would want to sit for an hour or more with a part eviscerated sheep twitching it's life away slowly at the side of the road.

Hairyloon

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Posted: Sun Aug 28, 16 11:15 am Post subject:

Nick wrote:

Yes. I can't believe this is even a conversation.

I just wanted to confirm that leaving an animal suffering was the right thing to do when the nearest aid may be several hours away.

dpack wrote:

All very well having a phone, but if there is no signal, then they don't work.

gregotyn

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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 16 10:23 am Post subject:
So what is the law regarding pocket knives? I use penknives and Stanley knives at work, I and always have a spare of each. As I get older I forget where I have left them, and they would disappear if I left them at work overnight.

Hairyloon

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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 16 1:36 pm Post subject:

gregotyn wrote:

So what is the law regarding pocket knives? I use penknives and Stanley knives at work, I and always have a spare of each. As I get older I forget where I have left them, and they would disappear if I left them at work overnight.

The law is one of "reasonable excuse", but the offence is one of strict liability: you have to prove you have a good excuse rather than they prove you haven't.

Nick

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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 16 1:55 pm Post subject:
And taking one to a job where you need it is fine.

Pilsbury

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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 16 2:02 pm Post subject:

As a teenager I used to regularly carry a bag containing 20 razor sharp knives up to 12 inch blades, I started with them in a briefcase with locks but soon found the police were curious about a 18 year old in jeans carrying a case around the financial bit of London and regularly got stopped and asked what was in the case.
I used to ask if i could open it off the main road cos it was full of knives and I didn't want anyone to see and I got lots of bemused coppers escorting me to the side street and looking over my chefs knives and my id from work showing I was a chef.
Switch to a very unsecure sports bag and I never got stopped again.....

sean
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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 16 2:10 pm Post subject:
I was stopped late(ish) at night by police investigating a knife crime at Tooting Broadway tube and had a Stanley knife in my back pocket. That was a bit tense for a few minutes.

dpack

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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 16 4:08 pm Post subject:

i have ambled down tooting high st with a 4 1/b sandvic felling axe over my shoulder,the two met constables i passed didn't say a word

wonder why?

if they had there would have been reasonable excuse as i was popping round to maybury st to split some fire wood for a pal.

i get the impression that the law is fairly subjective ,ie kukri on the way to do some hedging with a middle aged bloke = ok and nail file and scissors combo in the pocket of a 16 yr old sitting outside the offie = court

gregotyn should be fine as for work and would it probably be "borrowed" if i left it at work would be seen as reasonable.

i have had a few chats with coppers over the years regarding how they deal with such things and the usual response was "subjectively" and "depending on circumstances, instinct and whether or not i feel comfortable with them carrying that"

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