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dpack
Joined: 02 Jul 2005 Posts: 46055 Location: yes
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 22 5:27 pm Post subject: best place to ask , wild seed supplies |
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i think i need about a kilo of mixed seeds that suit the ground layer of 7 hypotenuse acres of oaks and a wide variety of other trees
that side of the very steep and tight clough does not get a lot of sunshine, nor do forest floors
my cunning plan is to make them into ballista balls and plant them the same way many of the trees were planted
a diverse low layer, long before natural spread might do it, makes sense to me
after a 45 years, i recon there is now enough soil, it was sand and bracken fires until i started to play with it by accident
i am awaiting a new catapult to continue the main trees planting of the sunnier, other, side of the clough to compliment the oaks planting of 20 yrs ago, that is doing nicely as pioneers in enough places to show where the next groups are needed
that made me consider accelerating diversification on the first side to match the rate of the tree stuff
if i have small seeds and big balls i will use a sling or gravity from above, acorns etc are perfect from a denis the menace "toy"
if i can make 0.5 cal mud and seed balls that can cope with the forces of a catapult and have decent flight ballistics, that is going to make it easy, if they have to be bigger for mechanical reasons, string with a patch will swirl them a couple of hundred meters or i can lob them down a slope
shhh just for fun, i know where to get some sequoia seeds and have a perfect place for a clump of them
that might seem odd but the microclimate may suit them in a few years
the ones in balls i saw on amazon were not quite what is needed, nor were the seed mixes
the prices of both were silly as well
who should i ask for what is needed? it is the first time i have tried this, advice and suppliers would be useful
i need wild species seeds for lowlevel mixed woodland ground cover diversity
on a steep slope, lighting on the less sunny side
2/3 oaks and 1/3 very diverse trees from 50 to 20 yrs old, it has about 30 types of oaks from many places, the others are very diverse
a couple of kilos mixed might be better value than ten seeds at a time ![](images/smiles/icon_lol.gif)
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dpack
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Mistress Rose
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dpack
Joined: 02 Jul 2005 Posts: 46055 Location: yes
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 22 11:27 am Post subject: |
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Mistress Rose wrote: |
Is there nothing growing there already? I know a few woods that are so dense there is no ground layer, but not many. Sounds as if the soil is likely to be quite acid. Sorry, can't help about seed. We let our ground layer get on with it as it is pretty diverse. |
let it happen is a reasonable option, speed that up by a factor of ten or more seems to work for smaller scale geo engineering
a bit like having vetch seeds etc to speed up meadow recovery
the "new" side needs a mix of trees and somebody to carry on in 3 decades or so
i dought hazel would take in the thin"soil" of most of that side, some is reused victorian landfill on a steep slope(ace bottle mine in 1970 but only now starting to stabilise and leach the toxins out)
the 20 yr old oaks have taken on the "natural" corner at the mouth of the clough above the mill site, the very un natural bits are probably best pattern bombed with a variety of trees, there are a couple of mature fruit trees and a space where hazel might take. the more oaks the merrier i recon about 30 named and un named varieties so far
there are bits where some guard trees like birch and ash might help with geo engineering and some bits where the most "brownfield tolerant" are chosen by darwin
ps that side of the valley has been used to teach drystone walling to chaingang kids, that helps with drainage and soil erosion on a few slopes(random walls though )
long term i am trying for wooded valley, the bit at the top of the clough is "green" it could be better, a bit too much tidy up and pretty flowers work by the well meaning for my tastes, but it is recovering from becoming a nature reserve 30 yrs ago
the steep stuff is mine ![](images/smiles/icon_lol.gif) |
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dpack
Joined: 02 Jul 2005 Posts: 46055 Location: yes
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 22 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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ps the little side valley would have been perfect for hazel, it has a 25yr old cherry grove, ace fruit that the birds get very early in the mornings
i will have a think about microclimates on the new side
any oaks are very welcome, strength in diversity etc
thinking of what has done well on that side, temperate to warm, drought resistant in summer, damp resistant in winter seems a place to start, pears and oaks have done first recolonisers with maybe the odd larch?
some bits need birch as nurse trees
ps i have not decided as to the fate of a rhododendron on the more established side, it depends on if it is doing invasive or filling a niche, i may carry sharp things and poison just in case
i need sharp things to moider a few trees that are in the wrong place or will pencil better ones near them, not short of trees on that side and 2 of them are right in a capability brown style line of sight( at a guess they were misfires as i have left that open line deliberately ) |
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